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I'm doing a mod, and need to know whether Argonians lay eggs. Is there anything in the lore about this?
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Their are some sources (don't remember wich one to lazy to look right now srry) that say they lay eggs, and i always beleaved they did. Their is however very little sure about Argonians, all you can be sure about is that they live.
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Can I take the chance and make Argonian eggs then?
Maybe I should ask Bethesda
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You do that. Make sure to post the answer.
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There is less available on the Argonians than that of the Khajiit. But there are some basic assumptions we can make. They are (supposed to be) Compatable with Men and Mer and can produce offspring, so the likelyhood of Eggs is low, in fact "eggs" would assure certain incompatabilities with the other races.
I for one think they should be more Draconic in nature, or at the very least more reptilian. They may be moving in that direction, but for now they are like any other Bi-ped race as far as compatabiity goes.
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But being reptillian suggests they would lay eggs doesn't it?
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There are examples of reptilian creatures that do have "live birth", but, Argonians appear to be moveing in that direction. Never said they were all the way there, only that they should be more reptillian in nature..... that would make sense to me.
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The Argonians are on a very peculiar evolutionary path. I'd say the chance that they lay eggs or have live births are 50/50.
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If they are moving towards live birth, maybe you could have an egg running around with a little Argonian head & legs sticking out lol.
Anyway why should the Argonions be the only ones with offspring, whats happened to all the children of the other races? Have the cliffracers eaten them
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There is less available on the Argonians than that of the Khajiit. But there are some basic assumptions we can make. They are (supposed to be) Compatable with Men and Mer and can produce offspring, so the likelyhood of Eggs is low, in fact "eggs" would assure certain incompatabilities with the other races.
Pherhaps they are supposed to, but there hasn't been one (reported) Argonian other race. This could be because the Argonians lay eggs, or pherhpas becuase nobody wants to say they have a child with a Argonian.
Although i doubt the last one, becuase in all of history, somebody should and probably would have talked.
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According to a Ral-Jiktar a renowned scholar in all thing argonian,
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Like all reptiles, they are cold blooded, and in colder regions require sun basking, to raise there body heat.
They also have a very different way to identify sex, the best way is to look at there crest, like every other reptile only the male has a very pronounced crest, wile the female has none.
another way to identify the sexes is by the markings. The male has a different scale pattern on there back. This pattern is a large blue group of scales stretching from there top head to the tip of there tail. You will also find these blue scales on there hands, and hips. There feet are also covered with blue scales in the middle.
Argonian claws are extremely sharp, as males use them as powerful weapons. Often an Argonian will sharpen there claws, both on the feet and the hands. The claws on the feet are very long, almost a foot in length. and can cut a chest of a human in very little time.
Like every reptile they lay eggs , the egg are soft and white. It has also been recorded that Argonian have fangs the carry poison glands, and that they are very resistant of disease, and immune to poison
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http://www.rpgplanet.com/morrowind/ral-jiktar/argonian_related.htm
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Very interesting! and makes sense.
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Right, then I'll just go ahead and make Argonian eggs A bit of retexturing should do the trick
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According to a Ral-Jiktar a renowned scholar in all thing argonian, Quote:
Like all reptiles, they are cold blooded, and in colder regions require sun basking, to raise there body heat.
They also have a very different way to identify sex, the best way is to look at there crest, like every other reptile only the male has a very pronounced crest, wile the female has none.
another way to identify the sexes is by the markings. The male has a different scale pattern on there back. This pattern is a large blue group of scales stretching from there top head to the tip of there tail. You will also find these blue scales on there hands, and hips. There feet are also covered with blue scales in the middle.
Argonian claws are extremely sharp, as males use them as powerful weapons. Often an Argonian will sharpen there claws, both on the feet and the hands. The claws on the feet are very long, almost a foot in length. and can cut a chest of a human in very little time.
Like every reptile they lay eggs , the egg are soft and white. It has also been recorded that Argonian have fangs the carry poison glands, and that they are very resistant of disease, and immune to poison
More can be found at: http://www.rpgplanet.com/morrowind/ral-jiktar/argonian_related.htm Hope this helps
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Better make them big. My kahjit character has a big stomach.
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I see the question has been answered already, but Ten-Tongues Weerhat (the pawnbroker in Mournhold who has "special offers") will tell you, if you do not have enough to pay for one of his special offers, "Do I look like I hatched yesterday? Come back when you actually have some money."
Straight from an Argonian's mouth. No better proof than that.
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Nice evidence Vireyar.
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Mmhhh... Argonian Omelet...
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Men and Mer assume much about Argonians, but who among them has ventured deep into Black Marsh and lived to tell about it? They assume that Argonians lay eggs because they resemble the tree-dwelling lizards that scurry about on four legs. Yet they assume Argonians have live births, because the females have breasts with which they might suckle their young. Perhaps it is both, as necessity demands. All live at the whim of the Great Root.
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There is less available on the Argonians than that of the Khajiit. But there are some basic assumptions we can make. They are (supposed to be) Compatable with Men and Mer and can produce offspring, so the likelyhood of Eggs is low, in fact "eggs" would assure certain incompatabilities with the other races.
Pherhaps they are supposed to, but there hasn't been one (reported) Argonian other race. This could be because the Argonians lay eggs, or pherhpas becuase nobody wants to say they have a child with a Argonian.
Although i doubt the last one, becuase in all of history, somebody should and probably would have talked.
The same could be said about any other interracial (interspecies?) mating...(besides that of men and mer). You'd think someone would have come forward by now? That doesn't necessarily tell us anything. Has there been one reported Khajiit/Mer breeding? Orc/Human? Etc...
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The same could be said about any other interracial (interspecies?) mating...(besides that of men and mer). You'd think someone would have come forward by now? That doesn't necessarily tell us anything. Has there been one reported Khajiit/Mer breeding? Orc/Human?
But Orcs ARE mer ...granted the daedric influence did not go unnoticed...
Khajiit also seem to come from the mer stock and are related to the tree-sap elves
But argonians are quite different. They are belived to come from the Hist the intellegent trees. According to Annotated Annual:
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The Hist were bystanders in the Ehlnofey war, but most of their realm was destroyed as the war passed over it. A small corner of it survived to become Black Marsh
The Ehlnofey are the ancestors of all men and mer so it would be reasonable to believe that all of them can interbreed.
I can't recall any Khjiitii or Orsimer half-breds but they have certainly "wrestled" each other, just remember Barenziah and the thief.
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Orcs are mer, yes, but do the people of Tamriel actually include Orcs when speaking of them? Not that I know of...And "wrestling" could have a few implications. It wouldn't necessarily produce a child...As asked before, how many cases have been recorded? I assume you've read (or intend to read) Notes on Racial Phylogeny, Seventh Edition...
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The issue is settled;
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From: Pete Hines <phines @ bethsoft.com> Subject: RE: Question about TES3: Morrowind; Do Argonians lay eggs? Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 14:40:14 -0500 To: 'LadyLuck' <LadyLuck @ subgod.com> . . Argonians are ovoviviparous. [Wow. I was SURE I'd never have to use that word again.] They don't lay eggs like reptiles. . Note that Lady Argonians have big bumps on their chests.
No eggs then
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I wonder if argonians will taste like chicken ?
My kajhit char still has an empty stomach.
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so much for the argoinan egg's of gold then.
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Actually. Above is part of an older section of Lore. but I have done more look into taht since I wrote taht a year ago. Anyhow I ASSUMED this because of a book a friend of mine found, that talked about recepeise, and one was a nrdic Argonian omlet. The receipy did include Argonian aggs. Wile I can't say it's eggs themselves, since it would be illigal in an imperial owned contry. it might bean eggs commonly found in Argonia.
Also, some reptiles do give live birth, but all these reptiles live in cold or upland regions. Argonians live in teh contrair, lowland, and warm, almost like a perfect incubator.
Again, I can't say 100% sure, but many things have hinted to taht.
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I love your icon of Zio from Phantasy Star 4 -------------------- Argonians look like humans in a way right, but they are still lizards. I think that they would lay eggs because I never heard of a lizard that didn't.
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they can't lay eggs,well I don't think so
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Thank you. I thought so too, but I was wrong.
BlueDev: They assume that Argonians lay eggs because they resemble the tree-dwelling lizards that scurry about on four legs.
Or because an Argonian says that he didn't hatch yesterday ... *cough* Just a figure of speech, I suppose.
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Well, he says that he *didn't* hatch yesterday, so maybe he also didn't hatch the day before that or any day at all. That is, he didn't hatch yesterday, because he didn't hatch at all.
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I thought that that Argonians would go at it like men and mer, and after that the female would lay an egg or eggs. Looks like I was wrong.
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Men and Mer assume much about Argonians, but who among them has ventured deep into Black Marsh and lived to tell about it? They assume that Argonians lay eggs because they resemble the tree-dwelling lizards that scurry about on four legs. Yet they assume Argonians have live births, because the females have breasts with which they might suckle their young. Perhaps it is both, as necessity demands. All live at the whim of the Great Root.
Are you making stuff up again?
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BlueDev: They assume that Argonians lay eggs because they resemble the tree-dwelling lizards that scurry about on four legs. Well its a common misconcpetion of men and mer which im sure the argonians promote so that everyone else makes other mistaken assumptions
Or because an Argonian says that he didn't hatch yesterday ... *cough* Just a figure of speech, I suppose. or he could be deliberatly spreading the misconception, that or he assumes others think of the misconception and plays along so as not to confuse poor non argonians.
As for reptiles and live births i believe there is at least 1 species of snake that is a live birther.
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Or because an Argonian says that he didn't hatch yesterday ... *cough* Just a figure of speech, I suppose.
Which is why I said "Perhaps it is both, as necessity demands."
Never underestimate the adaptability of Argonians, or, more specifically, the power of the Hist to allow Argonians to adapt.
I wouldn't expect to hear an Argonian born in Skyrim (or on Solstheim, for that matter) mention being hatched. Nor would I expect to hear more transient Argonians (say, members of a small, nomadic tribe) speak about laying eggs. However, in warmer climates, in places with established, stable, and permanent communities, you would likely see a great number of eggs.
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Since it seems like someone missed this post, I'll post it again...
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From: Pete Hines <phines @ bethsoft.com> Subject: RE: Question about TES3: Morrowind; Do Argonians lay eggs? Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 14:40:14 -0500 To: 'LadyLuck' <LadyLuck @ subgod.com> . . Argonians are ovoviviparous. [Wow. I was SURE I'd never have to use that word again.] They don't lay eggs like reptiles. . Note that Lady Argonians have big bumps on their chests.
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Or because an Argonian says that he didn't hatch yesterday ... *cough* Just a figure of speech, I suppose.
Which is why I said "Perhaps it is both, as necessity demands."
Never underestimate the adaptability of Argonians, or, more specifically, the power of the Hist to allow Argonians to adapt.
I wouldn't expect to hear an Argonian born in Skyrim (or on Solstheim, for that matter) mention being hatched. Nor would I expect to hear more transient Argonians (say, members of a small, nomadic tribe) speak about laying eggs. However, in warmer climates, in places with established, stable, and permanent communities, you would likely see a great number of eggs.
Can't Devs ever just allow something to be clear?
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Maybe what BD is saying is that they lay eggs when they want to. But they can also breed babies like woman do. It would not be a suprise if they were also hot blood.
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Well, he says that he *didn't* hatch yesterday, so maybe he also didn't hatch the day before that or any day at all. That is, he didn't hatch yesterday, because he didn't hatch at all.
And not all sayings are literally true. This goes double for Argonians, who are not only quite socially different from the other races, but also quite secretive . . . I suppose this makes this a bit like developers!
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I don't beleive that argonians are cold blooded based on one Argonian hanging out at the dock in Soltheseim (spelling?) and not dead or sleeping, Even if its snowing and night...
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Argonians are ovoviviparous.
Definition; ovoviviparous = forming eggs that develop within the body of the parent, but without nutritive or other metabolic aid by the parent.
This means that the only way to get Argonian eggs are to kill a pregnant Argonian female and cut the egg out of her.
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This means that the only way to get Argonian eggs are to kill a pregnant Argonian female and cut the egg out of her.
I'm not that desperate for Argonian eggs...
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I stand corrected.
I take it, then, that we will never truly know the Argonian as we do, say, an Imperial, because of the "power of the Hist to allow Argonians to adapt"?
Extremely fascinating race, the Argonians. The only two that interest me more are the Bosmer (mostly because of the Green Pact and the quirks of Valenwood) and the Dwemer.
LadyLuck: This means that the only way to get Argonian eggs are to kill a pregnant Argonian female and cut the egg out of her.
I am suddenly reminded of a certain netchiman's wife ...
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